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    W. & E. Scope Adjustments- How Much Is Too Much?

    Remington Model 700BDL Varmint Special in .222 Remington caliber. Talley Lightweight Alloy Scope Mounts (2 Piece). Sightron SII Big Sky 6-24x42AO Scope.

    At 100 yards, I needed to use 13 minutes of right windage and 5 minutes of down elevation in order to obtain a "0". I have been told by others that this amount is considered to be excessive; that doing this

    causes the reticle to be positioned too far away from the optical center, causing a loss of maximum performance of the sight. This is a 1" diameter scope and the catalog states that, from reticle center, there is 30

    minutes of adjustment up, 30 down, 30 left and 30 right. Of the 30 right, I am using 13 minutes, which is almost half of what's available. Of the 30 down, I'm using 5 minutes, which is 1/6 of the total that's there.

    The scope is holding "0" while using it the way as described. I even returned both the rings and scope to their respective makers for inspection; both products checked out okay. My range has targets at 100-200-

    300 yards. Would like to shoot at all 3 distances eventually. Is there something "wrong" with the rifle? Is the amount of adjustment too much? Do I even have a problem? Do I just shoot it "as-is"? What would

    you experienced riflemen recommend? Thank you!

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    I would dismount scope and rings and see if the holes in the receiver are drilled and tapped off center. R700's are notorious for this. If this checks out, then I would start the deep dive into rings. Since I have no idea if "Talley scope rings" are a quality set of rings, the problem may be there...but, with that much windage adjustment, I would bet it's the receiver. You can true this up at your own expense, possibly going to a pic rail and truing the rail up by oversizing the holes in the rail.

    Take some pictures if you can.

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    A quick way to check if the scope base is offset, is to remove the action from the stock, clamp a plate to the receiver and level with the top of the base - a slight angle sideways won't matter, then, using calipers, measure the distance from the front of the base, and the distance from the rear of the base. Compare measurements.
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    I would Suggest Installing a Set of Leupold or Redfield Steel 2 pc. "Rotary Dovetail" Bases w/ the Windage Adjustable Rear.
    These allow you to adjust the Windage Independently from the Scope Adjustments & Will make your Problem "Go Away".
    I have been using these on my M700BDL .308 since 1978 & have had Zero Issues & I'm on my Second Scope for this Rifle.
    I'd Also get rid of the Alum. Rings & get a set of Leupold or Redfield Steel Rings. This Will definitely Solve Your Problems.
    Steel Rings & Mounts are More Durable & less prone to Bending than Aluminum ones.
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    US58 you mean this base ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winxp_Man View Post
    US58 you mean this base ?

    WinXP,
    Yep, That's the One Piece Version & would do the Same thing.
    Probably a little Stouter than the 2 piece, But, I've had No Problems w/ mine.

    By the way XP, Have you played w/ the SubSonics anymore Lately? PM me if so.
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    unclesarge58 and Winxp Man,

    Thank you for the replies. Question on the mount that was pictured/suggested. Front ring bottom is held in place to base via the rotary dovetail that's inserted into the

    base's slot and then turned into position. Rear ring bottom is held in place by the 2 opposing screws "pinching" the sides of it. But just what holds or draws the rear

    ring bottom DOWNWARD to secure it onto the base itself? Do not see any screw, clamp or other device of any sort in order to allow this. Does the rear ring just sit

    there, depending on gravity to hold it in a downward position? Yes, I have read that those 2 opposing screws can be used to adjust rear ring (right or left) as needed to

    correct/adjust for windage issues. If this is adjusted while the front ring is still holding the scope, isn't the outer tube being stressed and possibly even getting bent due

    to the sideways movement occurring at the rear end of the scope? I understand that these mounts have certainly been around for a long time and lots of shooters use

    them. unclesarge 58, I appreciate your knowledge and experience as well as the success that you've obviously had with these mounts on your .308. As an NRA Life

    Member, I regularly read my monthly issues of "American Rifleman". In an article discussing scope mounting, the author actually suggested that these Leupold/Redfield

    mounts were in reality the weakest design around! Everyone has a different opinion and I respect your views. Went with the Talley Lightweight Alloy 2 Piece Mounts as

    they seemed simple and easy for "newbie" like me to install; I do not have any of the bore sighters/collimators that others may invest in. As a hardcore handgunner, the

    Model 700 is the only serious rifle I own other than a stock Ruger 10/22. As for those mounts, I'm probably missing something here and would appreciate any further

    explanations on how to correctly use them. Am curious if you lap your ring bottoms or not. Elaborate as much as you care to and thanks for your patience!
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    mr alexander I actually have the rings and the base you see in the picture for sale. I was wanting to get $35 shipped for the rings and base. Here is a link for them on another forum site. Oh and they are steel so they will not break easy!

    WTS: Leupold Standard 1" medium rings + Leupold 1 Piece standard base


    And to answer your questions yes the back ring had a dove tail some what type cut and it sits on the base. the two screw on the base come together and hold it in place. At the same time the screws allow left to right ( windage ) movement. Thus will allow to compensate for the screw issue on the rifle. The front ring has a dove tail that is like a key hole type fit. Put in the ring to match the hole then twist it to lock it in place...... Crap come to think of it almost sounds like a porn chat hahahahaha!!!
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    mr alexander,
    I don't know where you got your Info about this type of Ring & Base Setup being weak.
    But, IMHO they Are Equal to or Stronger than Any Steel One Piece Base w/ Clamp on Rings
    (ie. Weaver Mount)
    They Are Definitely Stronger than Any Aluminum Mount & Ring System.
    This is Due to the Fact that Steel Is Stronger.
    The All Steel One Piece Leupold/Redfield Dovetail Base & Ring System has been around for at least 50yrs & I have Never Heard of one Failing.
    They Are in Reality one of the Most Rugged of All Scope Mounting Systems.
    Don't get me Wrong, the DNZ Is a Good System.
    It Is Rigid & Light weight, But it is Not Adjustable.
    Trust me, The Base & Rings that Winxp Man has Are Top of the Line & are a GREAT Price too.
    Also, They Will Fit your Scope Perfectly (If your Scope has a 1in. Tube).
    Remember Steel Bends, Aluminum Cracks &
    Steel Can be Straightened, But, Aluminum Snaps.
    UncleSarge58

    By the way, Very Nice Scope you Chose. Great Glass.
    US58
    Last edited by unclesarge58; 04-14-2014 at 06:38 AM.
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    To Answer your Questions about the Base & Ring Interface/Mounting:

    1) The Base is Secured to the Top of the Rifle's Receiver w/ 3-4 Screws & Blue LockTite.
    I also like to Coat the Bottom of the Base where it meets the Receiver.
    Just Wipe Off any Excess when you Tighten it Down. Now Wait for it to Dry (1-2hrs)
    2) Lightly Lube the Front Ring Dovetail & Front Base Dovetail Slot.
    Insert the Assembled Front Ring into the Front Base Slot at a 90 degree angle to the Base.
    Then use a Broom Handle or Wood Dowel to Rotate it to Align w/ the Bore of the Rifle.
    Just get it as close as you can by eye for now. (You will Fine Tune it in Step 4)
    3) Loosen the Rear Mount Screws sufficiently to Fit the Rear Ring & Snug up the Screws to Center it.
    The Rear Ring has Dovetail Slots on Both Sides & the Screws Clamp it from the Sides & Force it Downwards onto the Base.
    4) To Align the Rings, I use a 1 inch Hard Wood Dowel to Twist the Front Ring Into Alignment w/ the Rear.
    Adjust the Front Ring from the Front & Test Alignment by Sliding the Dowel back into the Rear Ring.
    5) Once you have the Rings Aligned, Remove the Ring Caps .
    6 Lay the Scope in the Ring Bases & Mount the Ring Caps Loosely.
    7) Adjust the Scope for Proper Eye Relief. (Front to Back) & Tighten the Screws.
    Remove & Coat ea. Screw, one at a time w/ Blue LockTite & Tighten Evenly in a Criss-Cross Pattern.
    8) Center the Scope Reticle in its Adjustment Range (By Counting Clicks L-R & U-D in Both Directions)
    9) Proceed to Range & Sight in Rifle. Hopefully you Wrote down your Original Settings.
    You can Start from there w/ Half the Windage & Use the Rear Sight Base Screws to Correct for Misalignment. Just Loosen the Side you need to Correct to & Tighten the Other Side.
    Once you have the Windage Screws Adjusted, Secure them w/ a Drop of Blue LockTite.
    Using this System I have Never had to Lap the Rings & Have Never seen Damage to the Scope Tube.
    Just Don't Overtighten the Ring Caps (Use a Torque Wrench)
    Hope this Helps,
    US58
    Last edited by unclesarge58; 04-14-2014 at 06:44 AM.
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