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My best friend who in a long story wound up with a Para Ordinance 13 45 I used to own, I sold it to another friend who swapped it to another (my best) friend. Now my best friend is asking if Id be interested in swapping my Glock 23 for the Para. I miss a .45, but will never again trust my life to any firearm with a grip safety. I have a G22 also, I carry, but cant CC it. I told him Id swap mostly cause I want another .45, and a new Springfield wont hold 13+1 lol.

Just currious what yalls opinion is. G23 vs Para 13.1
 

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I'm not the best expert on long range rifles, but I have a great amount of experience with pistols. I'm a die hard 1911 lover, even though I don't really see the Paras as true 1911's (though they are fantastic guns), but for CC, a Glock 23 would win my vote hands down. I don't like plastic framed guns and the Glock is about the ugliest gun ever made, but it is also possibly the best tactical gun ever due to its simplicity and reliability. I would much rather go to the range with a 1911, but would never quite feel as secure carrying one that I may actual have to use to engage someone. If conditions were perfect in a shootout, which they never are, yeah sure, I'll take a good 1911. But you just can't beat a Glock, with the simplicity of a revolver, fantastic reliability, good accuracy, etc. You probably know about all the torture tests and all that. As a former cop who carried a Gen 3 Glock 22 and a Glock 27 for years, (and still carry one) I would highly recommend the ugly gun. I'm a big Sig fan as well, but my vote would have to go to the Glock. It's like comparing a Remington PSS with a wood-stocked Weatherby with a light barrel. If you are forced to kill someone with a rifle, I'd go with the black gun that isn't as pretty but you know will put out and put the bullet where it needs to go in extreme conditions.
 

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Well, I have a 22, so I have the reliability, the 23 mostly is just an extra gun now (just picked the 22 up a couple of months ago) I miss having a .45 and have been trying to buy this one back. About the time he agreed to sell it back, I decided Id get a FN45, then he ask about trading. I think Ill go ahead and swap, I can always get a 23 later but for now, I have another gun for CC so that isnt an issue
 

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Well, I'm an old man that grew up with a 1911 A1. Spent 25 years with one on my hip or close by in the service and another 20 years as a Private Investigator. Right now I have two pistols. A 1911 A1 and a M19 Smith. I've owned a few Glocks and never did like them all that much. Looking down the barrel of a Glock is like looking down the Flight Deck of the USS Enterprise. At my age I'm too old to take a whuppin so I'll go with what I know.

 

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I know the 1911 has more stopping power than my Glock, but I really do like that Glock. The thing takes a ton of abuse, it's easy to clean and deal with and always works.
 

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Facing a SHTF situation the Glock would be my choice. I carry a 22 at work and have a 23 that I carry off duty.
Have never had a failure with either of these two weapons and both have been shot A Bunch. They are ugly as sin but they work like no other. The 1911 and Browning Hi Power are my all time favorites and I collect both. If I were buying a gun for pride in
ownership or shooting at the range I would take the 1911 hands down.
 

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I own a Colt 10mm Delta Elite that has been to the Pachmayr Custom Gun Shop. It is like my American Express card, I never leave home without it. I have shot it extensively with factory fodder and my own handloads. It has never failed. I will not allow it to be mis-treated and it won't allow me to be mis-treated. We are a mutual admiration pair and I like it that way. It either rides on my hip in an El Paso Saddlery hand tooled thumb snap holster or it rides in the console of my Tahoe. Either place it is handy and protected. I just believe I'll stick with this for the duration.

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Dave (Bubba) Thornblom
 

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Considering I haven't used a 1911 and I have used a Glock, I prefer the feel of the 1911 (I have handled one). But all around, I really like the feel of the Beretta 92FS (M9A1), either that or the Browning 9mm HP. I like .45ACP, but I also like having more rounds to use. Bt I cant have a .45ACP under our current laws. get what you prefer. Its your weapon.
 

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I have a Para 1911 and it fits and shoots right. I owned a Glock for about a month once. Never could get "right". I'm sure it was me.

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I'm jealous. I can't have any handgun with our laws, unless it's got a stupid 12" barrel and a rod sticking out of the grip. :(
 

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We can own them use them at ranges (along with black powder revolvers) but not carry them (or any firearm without valid reason (eg hunting, going to or from the range). We are allowed semi auto .22 pistols, and centerfire revolvers, but they have to have 12"! barrels and an overall length of 24" (hence the rod at the back of the grip. They look like this:

 

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All the guns named are good. You'll always shoot better with what you like. I'd feel secure with all of them.... but.... if I needed more than 3-4 rounds.... I'm in a world of s#@t. Remember, a pistol is for fighting your way to your rifle/shotgun.
 

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if I needed more than 3-4 rounds.... I'm in a world of s#@t.


:) :) My "line" is more like "If I shoot all the ammo I'm carrying I either won't need any more, or more won't help".

FWIW, my absolute favorite carry weapon is a CZ75 SP-01 Tactical. A little large by some standards but I fine it's very concealable with a simple loose shirt or light jacket. Also holds a total of 20 rounds without a reload. Just for good measure, and to balance the weight on my belt, I carry two 19 round mag's as well. Considering all the weight I used to carry every day this is a "light load".

Personally I'd match the accuracy of the SP-O1 against that of many "Custom's".
 
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